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Cobra manifold - vacuum line help

RedFox

New Member
Hi all,
I'm new to this forum and to new to Mustangs. I need and appreciate any help you can offer. I'll try to provide as much info as I can.

I recently did a '93 Cobra manifold swap on my '89 Mustang GT. When I start the car, it idles way up to 4000 RPM and stays there. I'm assuming I have a manifold leak or more likely, a vacuum line run incorrectly. I did some digging on the web and I found the attached photo which is how I had my lines. I also found an update that indicates for BAP sensor cars like mine, remove the "T" fitting from the EGR line. I did this and plugged the port on the bottom of the upper manifold but the car still behaves the same. Does anyone have a photo or diagram of how these vacuum lines should go? Advice? My next step was going to be spraying some carb cleaning around the lines and gaskets to try to find the leak. The gaskets are new so I don't think that's the issue.

The cars emissions system has been modified by previous owners which is making this more challenging for me since I don't really have a baseline to compare it to. The EGR crossover tubes are still connected to the back of the heads but not to anything else. The EGR valve is attached to the intake and wired into the electrical harness but the small vacuum fitting is not connected to the manifold and I'm not sure if it should be? There is also no smog pump on the car.

Before swapping the manifold, the car would always high idle at around 2500 RMP, even on hot days, before warming up and dropping down to 1000RMP. I'm not sure if this is normal for these cars?

I tested the TPS sensor as well which seems to have been spliced in by a previous owner and it's giving me 2.4v on it's lowest position which I know is too high. I have an aftermarket throttle body which allows me to adjust but I cannot get it lower than this. I have a spare sensor which I can swap but I did test the TPS prior to this project and it was high then too so I'm not convinced this is the problem.

The throttle position screw is set to the lowest position it will go so I do not suspect this as being an issue.

It's possible the timing on the car could be off as I did remove the distributor when I did this swap. I checked the valves on cylinder 1 to ensure they were closed and on compression stroke and I marked the balancer. From what I can tell, it is running about 12 degrees before TDC. Even if the timing is a bit off, would it make the car idle this high?

Again, I'm sorry if this is something that has been covered before but I'm new so I thank you for any help you can offer to get my car back on the road.








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RedFox

New Member

Thanks for the reply. I believe it is similar.

I've attached some pics for your reference.

The first two pics are the new Cobra manifold that I am trying to make work. The third pic is the stock mani that I removed.

The Cobra mani does have a port like that on the front which I plugged with a bolt. Is that where I went wrong?

I appreciate the help!
 

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RedFox

New Member
Thanks for the reply. I believe it is similar.

I've attached some pics for your reference.

The first two pics are the new Cobra manifold that I am trying to make work. The third pic is the stock mani that I removed.

The Cobra mani does have a port like that on the front which I plugged with a bolt. Is that where I went wrong? The car does not seem to have the charcoal canister any longer.

I appreciate the help!
 

RedFox

New Member
I have my car all sorted out now. I wound up building a smoke machine based on the instructions by Brew2L (link below). I owe that dude some beers because his videos have helped me out so many times.


Using this, I was easily able to find the leaks which were mainly between the upper and lower gasket. For peace of mind, I decided to pull both the upper and lower off the car once again and start fresh. I torqued everything according to the correct pattern and specs. I also used RTV on the gasket between the upper and lower which I hadn't before and this seemed to fix the vacuum leak.

As far as the TPS sensor, I pulled this as well, tapped into the wires with a couple of needles, and was able to get the voltage within range.

I'm running a very conservative 10 degrees of timing which I will likely bump up a tad once I have a chance to really drive the car and test.

The only issue I still have, which is more annoying than anything is that the throttle body sticks a little from a stop. My previous TB did this a well. I checked it and it seems like the blade is catching ever so slightly on the inside of the housing. The TB is brand new and I actually put a thin layer of grease and that temporarily fixed the issue but it's back again. I guess I just need to keep tweaking it until I get it just right.
 
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